I502 Presentation Seattle Channel – Washington Legalization Initiative – or is it?
My question for New Approach Washington AKA the Washington ACLU. Why introduce NEW prohibitions when trying to remove other prohibitions? If you wanted to assure voters that the roads would be protected, you could have reminded voters or explained to them what Reckless Driving laws are all about:
Reckless driving — Penalty.
(1) Any person who drives any vehicle in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving. Violation of the provisions of this section is a gross misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to three hundred sixty-four days and by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars.
(2) The license or permit to drive or any nonresident privilege of any person convicted of reckless driving shall be suspended by the department for not less than thirty days.
(3)(a) Except as provided under (b) of this subsection, a person convicted of reckless driving who has one or more prior offenses as defined in RCW 46.61.5055(14) within seven years shall be required, under RCW 46.20.720, to install an ignition interlock device on all vehicles operated by the person if the conviction is the result of a charge that was originally filed as a violation of RCW 46.61.502, 46.61.504, or an equivalent local ordinance.
(b) A person convicted of reckless driving shall be required, under RCW 46.20.720, to install an ignition interlock device on all vehicles operated by the person if the conviction is the result of a charge that was originally filed as a violation of RCW 46.61.520 committed while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug or RCW 46.61.522 committed while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug.
[2011 c 293 § 4; 2011 c 96 § 34; 1990 c 291 § 1; 1979 ex.s. c 136 § 85; 1967 c 32 § 67; 1965 ex.s. c 155 § 59.]
“Washington N.O.R.M.L. ?…but, it’s legal for everyone, everywhere in WA, from anywhere in the USA, to come to this state and walk around with and ounce of the killer stinky ganja?! Where can I get some? Any patients willing to sell for $400 an ounce on the black market? Anyone? Anyone? (Rhetorical question)”
Friar Ryan (me) says:
“Friar Ryan Ive heard all that I can handle from establishment law makers. I want to hear from “we the people” not “we the lawyers”.
Im not even as worried about the patient issue as the DUID issue. There are a lot of problems with this law. It’s definitely NOT “legalization”. Maybe “pseudo legalization” but I think I’ll call it “pseudo prohibition”
I think WA NORML actually is buying into the idea that he can walk right in to one of these state regulated dispensaries, puff up, and possibly share with his buddies over 21.
1. There will be NO DISPENSARIES. We already know that, remember SB 5073 anyone?
2. If there is no legal procurement, then all marijuana will still have to be illegally obtained
3. If Kevin shares his ounce with his buddy. Heck even if he passes a joint to his buddy, he’s still breaking the law.
I wonder if Kevin can wrap his mind around any of this? And if he can, maybe he’s totally cool with it all, even the possibility that he some day will get pulled over, and the cops will say “sir we smell weed, you must submit to a blood test”. And maybe he can’t afford to bail out of jail while they are waiting for the blood test results to come back, and he won’t be able to attend the next illegal ganja party where all of his super duper lawyer friends are at illegally passing joints to one another. So he waits and waits in jail until the test results come back.. A couple of months pass, and finally the results come back, and lets say Kevin is freed from jail because he is a light weight, and one hit lasts him for weeks. So he isn’t above like 5ng limit like all of his friends are. Well good for you Kevin”
Friar Ryan: What is funny? The fact that you are an out of state activist who may as well be working with the DEA to keep pot illegal for recreational users in WA? The fact that you grow and sell pot in another state, like you used to do here? The fact that there are real people in the world that have real money who don’t care about you? Or the fact that the same group that put together 69.51a are putting together 502, which, when taken togther could give WA state more privileges and protections than any other state for both personal and medical use – is that funny? If you want to be a grower/preacher/hero, then change federal prohibition, or spread your non-strategic vocal activism spam to every other recreational decrim/medical marijuana defense website and facebook page, as suggested in another thread by Radical Russ, such as: SAFER, ASA, MPP , ect.”
I then found out he censored all of my posts on the Washington NORML FB page, and blocked me. All that I posted were these two videos:
So I say:
Friar Ryan As for me being an out of state activist as you call it. I spent 13 years more time in Washington than Russ Belville has, I paid taxes there this year, and I raised my kids there. Many of my friends and family still live there, and I return often. Go complain about “out of state activists” who are not stake holders in WA laws.”
This is all after trying to make peace with NORML, and starting a new monthly donation of $4.20. Which is small I know, I don’t have a lot of money. But over the last 4 years I have donated over $600 to NORML, and I have tried to support them. But I do not support this type of behavior.
Regulate Cannabis Like Wine 2012 initiatives to legalize cannabis in California
In this video I talk about the two proposed initiatives in California for 2012.
Both of these initiatives have lingo about “regulating cannabis like wine”.
I talk about the differences that have stood out to me.
Both initiatives propose legalization for adults over the age of 21. Which means no criminal penalties for possession, transportation, sales, distribution, manufacturing or cultivation.
Both of the initiatives address taxes and taxes are included in both initiatives.
Both initiatives allow for industrial hemp, which in my consideration is the best part of these initiatives.
One thing that stands out is that the Regulate Cannabis Like Wine Initiative includes specific lingo that protects laws granted under Proposition 215.
1. (d) The People of the State of California hereby expressly declare that this Act does not repeal, modify, or change any present medical marijuana statutes as set forth in California Proposition 215 and its progeny.
I don’t see anything that specific in the Jack Herer initiative. Although it doesn’t appear to violate the intent of Prop215, just that it helps increase liberty in regards to cannabis.
One thing that the Jack Herer initiative does that the Regulate Cannabis Like Wine initiative doesn’t do is it gives specific exemption to medical cannabis, but it does give an increased excised tax to all other cannabis of $10 per ounce.
2. Place an excise tax on commercial sale of cannabis hemp euphoric products, analogous to California’s wine industry model, so long as no excise tax or combination of excise taxes shall exceed $10.00 per ounce.
Here are the facts. Prop215 has been a good step forward, but stagnating activism to proceed in regaining our rights have not helped, and in fact keeping cannabis “medical only” has only hurt people.
The facts are in the numbers.
“In 2009, there were 17,008 felony and 61,164 misdemeanor marijuana arrests in California, for a total of 78,172.
In 2008, there were 17,126 marijuana felonies and 61,388 misdemeanors, for a total of 78,514. This was the highest number of marijuana arrests since pot was decriminalized in California in 1976, according to Dale Gieringer of California NORML.”
I think that the fight to secure medical cannabis has been a good fight, and there have been many major victories won in this fight.
But cannabis prohibition violates many of our constitutional civil rights. It should not be treated as anything more scarey or anything more regulated than aspirin.
Aspirin kills over 7500 people a year in the USA. Cannabis does not kill ANYONE!
This is not even a question of which is better in the issue of medical vs. social cannabis.
If we legalize cannabis further in can only be better for medical patients as it opens up the FREE MARKET, giving patients more options and better prices.
But further than that. It helps protect people and legitimize the value that cannabis has in society, including and most importantly industrial hemp.
Cannabis is NOT medical only. Cannabis is a God given plant with many values and uses.
I don’t like when other groups or people represent what “we all believe”. Recently in a conversation on facebook someone told me “We all agree regulation (of cannabis) is needed”.
I don’t agree. Thus is why xCannabis.com was born to begin with. While I agree with the opinions of some people, I do not agree with all of their opinions.
This is the same thing that goes with groups that set out to represent “what we all think or want”.
NORML represents some of the things that I believe in, but not all of it. The CDC represents some of what I believe, but very little. I disagree with the ASA on most things, yet they are a group trying to represent the wishes of the medical cannabis patient community.
In all of my years of blogging, doing radio, or media in general I have always stated what I believe, and I have always stated that I ONLY represent myself and no one else.
I represent myself, because I don’t feel like most of these lobbyist groups, and certainly most of the politicians do NOT represent what I believe or what I want.
A few people have said I am a “propagandist” or “self promotionalist”. I represent what I believe as much as possible so that others are not representing me in the wrong ways. I don’t want the politicians or other lobby groups to think that their opinion represents me, because often that is not the case.
I give more to promoting my ideas than I receive, because there is some serious misrepresentation out there.
I do NOT believe we need more regulation as this particular advocated stated. I know 100’s of people personally who feel that we do not need more regulation, but LESS. So how is it that he can say “we all agree”.
Which is why MANY media sources, and MANY people need to voice their opinions so that we KNOW what we all agree on, and what we need to work on.
Having just a few opinions available is not helping anything.
So I will continue to blog/vlog/broadcast etc.. Like it or not.
To me it was obvious that the governor would take this approach because she said the same things about the state employees vs. federal law back in 2008 under SB 5615. I am not at all surprised that she used the same excuse this time.
What I am surprised about, is that very few people in WA seem to remember that fiasco from 3 years ago.
Well it’s all said and done. Patients just got screwed in Washington state. I hope all of the supporters of SB 5073 are very proud of themselves still.
I am going to be giving MORE support to the National Initiative for Democracy.
We changed our beneficiary from NORML to the NI4D on our facebook group too.
Last year we raised $96 for the NORML Womens Alliance with this group. http://cancer.xcannabis.com
This year we are working on fund raising for the National Initiative for Democracy. http://vote.org
With the NI4D, we can vote on federal law, and thus end the controlled substances act nation wide.
Blessings to everyone! Stand up for your rights! Don’t trust others to do it for you!
It’s your freedom, fight for it!
There are a lot of things coming out in regards to the medical cannabis and other cannabis usage in Washington state right now.
We have saw two bills come up in the Washington legislature both of which I have labeled as “dog and pony shows” since they were obviously not going to pass from the get go and they both eventually got stuck in committee. Both HB 1550 and SB 5073 that were proposed this year had some debatable good qualities to them, but they also offered a lot of things that the Washington voters do not seem to wish for, which is high regulation and taxes.
It was obvious from the beginning to me that HB 1550 which required the involvement and sales by the WA Liquor Board for social cannabis was destined to fail.. Much like the medical bill that came out (SB 5073) it also offered an expensive tax and control structure that would have cost consumers additional amounts of money to finance.
SB 5073’s fiscal report was showing that the registry cost would start out at around 11 million dollars and then we would need to pay the salaries of 47+ state employees, which is to do the job that one person does in Colorado and that one person does in Nevada.
Despite that money seemed to lend a contributing factor in why the legislature was so eager this year in regards to legalization efforts, it is also obvious after watching one hearing after another that they were upset about the growth and popularity of the medical cannabis market which grew to having over 40 dispensaries in Spokane in recent months.
Each hearing I would hear dialog about the “out of control dispensaries”. They never cited a single case of where a dispensary acted inappropriately they never noted any complaints that the public has about these dispensaries, and certainly I don’t hear them speaking about how patients who benefited from these services felt about these dispensaries neither good nor bad.
Yet there were many patients who spoke in front of the committees about how the dispensaries were literally life savers.
Yet in almost every committee meeting the representatives would speak about the “wild west” of medical cannabis in Washington state, and that became clear to me from the beginning that was a major aspect of this legislation. Not to mention the Section (301) that from the VERY BEGINNING started winding back the functions of a doctor/patient relationship in regards to medical cannabis.
This isn’t something that was introduced at the end of these hearings, no Section 301 was there from the beginning, and in it the words that gave doctors immunity from criminal penalties for recommending cannabis to a patient started being crossed out of current law. We posted this about the original proposal here: http://xcannabis.com/2011/04/washington-norml-asks-three-questions-to-those-against-sb-5073/
So I stopped subscribing to what many of these other “cannabis advocate” groups were posting. I would read them from time to time, but mostly I was just watching the legislators and what they were doing because the media about this didn’t seem to want to cover the negative aspects of the bill.
You can see about a dozen reports that we gave on this pointing out the negative aspects of this bill: http://xcannabis.com/?s=5073&x=0&y=0
I recognize that there were other very astute and vocal cannabis advocates out there fighting against this, such as the Northwest Leaf, CannaCare, and other local patients and advocates. Im just saying there were a lot of other groups that were touting support for SB 5073 without any obvious complaints for months.
A few of the supporters of this bill criticized me for coming out in opposition of this bill, which made it seem to me that these folks think that criticizing what the legislature was doing wasn’t helping.
I just keep wondering how does giving unfailing support for a bad bill helpful? How do the legislature know what we want if we won’t say it? How does keeping our complaints secret help the process?
The REASON we have medical cannabis in Washington NOW is because the people spoke up! It was a people’s initiative that got medical marijuana approved for Washingtonians, not a bill! So when there is legislation to change our cannabis laws, it is very important to stand up and reject the bad aspects and DEMAND GOOD POLICIES!
So in my opinion this is what Washington needs for medical cannabis.
Patient protection without a registry, no arrest no searches with the proper documentation.
Dispensaries must remain in tact, and be legitimized in our state constitution. There should not be limits on the number of dispensaries as that will continue to drive prices up
Leave the state employees out of it. If there are no state employees involved, then medical cannabis will not receive threats from the feds, like we recently saw with SB 5073, but like we would have also saw with HB 1550 had it made it out of committee.
Most of all we need to protect collective gardens so sick and incapable people may get their meds from a community garden that doesn’t cost them what it does to buy from the dispensaries which are often very expensive.
I think that to ensure that the people get exactly what they want, they need to stand up, reject the bad policies that are being introduce and praise the good policies.
I am so tired of people playing politician. Lets just do whats right from the get go.
It looks like our only chance of getting it right this year is Sensible Washington’s Initiative 1149.
Please see the following two websites for more details: www.i1149.com & www.SensibleWashington.org
We have also vowed to play a more involved part in this process next year if it fails this year. Meaning we will continue to try to gather allies together to propose our own initiative. I want i-1149 to succeed, but there is a good chance that it won’t succeed.
So we have been trying to connect people who are in Washington, and gather more support for something next year, just in case we don’t get it worked out this year.
As I stated earlier, we only have medical cannabis in Washington state because of a people’s initiative and that seems like the only way we will preserve those rights.
Please also give the National Initiative for Democracy a look. It is just like a state initiative but it employs a national initiative process. http://ni4d.us
Info from one of the last revisions, I reply to Radical Russ’s “radical rant” concerning SB5073 in Washington regarding regulating medical marijuana. This just passed the Senate today 3/2/2011
UPDATE March 2, 2011 — SB 5073 passed the Washington State Senate on a 29-20 vote. Several amendments were adopted. Most concerning was an amendment by the pot-doctor-fearing Senator Carrell to forbid health care professionals from having practices that appear to be primarily for the authorization of medical cannabis. http://cdc.coop/2011_legislation
I have been talking about this full legalization vs. medical marijuana only (as prescribed by Dennis Peron and others).
I have always said after hearing this theory of “all cannabis use is medical use” that if we get complacent about legalizing and if we get to thinking medical is enough, while neglecting industrial, social and spiritual use, then the DEA will reschedule cannabis and take it away from us.
We have had a lot of new events on Sensi Life radio. I had a great time talking to Justin Prince from Tacoma Hemp Company on 1/12/11, we spoke about his arrest from July 2010 when the police set up a fake patient, with fake paperwork and a fake doctor and arrest Justin because they (the police) broke the law. We spoke about how it’s a paradox when if anyone else but the police were to make fake MMJ papers, they would be guilty of a felony.
Yesterday we spoke to an awesome ganja souljah Christopher Campbell. We spoke about the movement as a whole, as well as some of the religious and medical aspects of cannabis. It was great getting to know the prospective of someone relatively new to the movement.
Next week we have legendary scholar Chris Bennett on 1/18/11 @ 2pm. Chris is well educated, well written and well known for being an all around cannabis scholar. Chris is also a publisher of many books on cannabis and religion aspects of cannabis. It will be a great treat for myself and our audience to learn more about Chris. I have referenced Chis and his work for years!
More news about Senate Bill 5073 and House Bill 1100 in Washington that redefines the medical marijuana law in Washington state as currently defined in 69.51a.
I made a video recording to respond to Russ because I don’t think I was communicating to him very clearly, as it seemed when he responded several times he asserted that he understood my point of view and defined it in our conversation but I think he got it wrong several times. I figured I could speak it to him better than type it to him.