Articles Tagged: hiatt

NORML Live August 18th 2011 – Sensible Washington and NAW

August 18th, 2011 | By Pirate

This was a good chat right before Hempfest.  Russ Belville interviews Doug Hiatt and Alison Holcomb.

http://www.stickam.com/viewMedia.do?mId=192024711

I loved the interview, and the points that everyone made,especially Doug.

The only thing I hoped for more of, or ANY of, is something about I-505, at least recognizing it’s existance.

Sensible Washington’s Doug Hiatt did great in the interview, said a lot of things that I am on board with, and I am supporting them for 2012.   But right now I-505 is in circulation, and is better law than it’s competitor NAW.
I say “competitor” because while these two initiatives address the same substance, they are completely different in format and in terms of liberty vs. more prohibition.

You can see past posts on these topics here on xCannabis.  But I just wish that rather than Doug Hiatt now, AFTER Sensible Washington’s initiative is not in circulation, and is hence passed.  It would just make more sense to interview Don Skakie, who is running a current initiative for removing penalties from adult marijuana crimes, much like Sensible Washington.

Good job to all of those activists out there fighting for freedom!

Past conversations and comments about NAW:

http://xcannabis.com/2011/07/sensi-life-radio-july-22nd-6am-morning-show/

http://xcannabis.com/2011/07/does-naw-really-have-a-chance/

Lawyer retirement and protection program – SB 5073

June 13th, 2011 | By Pirate

Lawyer retirement and protection program – SB 5073 is the statements from activists and defense lawyers in Washington.

RE:  http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/06/lawyers_on_washington_medical-.php

“?Douglas Hiatt says attorneys like him have a nickname for SB 5073, the gutted shell of a medical-marijuana reform bill that was passed in April then mostly vetoed by the governor. He says they call it the “lawyer retirement and protection program.””

I have broadcast on this several times, and I offered much resistance to the limitations that this bill put on freedom.
Aside from Doug Hiatt I received a lot of resistance from WA NORML, and Russ Belville gave a lot of unfounded support for SB 5073.   I was asking the whole time for just a little resistance to let the politicians know that their constituents were paying attention, but no resistance would be given while this bill was being heard.

This is my first critical broadcast of this bill in regards for NORML’s support:

This is my second broadcast on this in regards to the support given by WA NORML, National NORML, and Alison Holcomb of the ACLU.

I have supported NORML, and I love that there is a large group such as NORML fighting for patients rights, consumers rights, and mostly industrial hemp.   But giving 100% support for an AWFUL bill such as SB 5073 does not help anything in regards to cannabis rights, or personal freedoms.

I am disappointed by the fact that many groups failed to support I-1149 in Washington who claimed to be fighting for cannabis freedom.   Those who say they are in favor of “safe access” gave no money, no advertising on their media or websites, and no public support for I-1149.  I can count at least 5 different cannabis groups in Washington who FAILED at protecting consumers by not lending I-1149 any support.  Do a little research and you’ll figure out who they are.
There is no safer access than removing criminal penalties from cannabis!

I hope a more organized group arises and makes significant progress if this fails.  As I understand it, Sensible Washington only raised less than $30,000.   Where are the dispensaries who didn’t support I-1149 who will soon be completely out of business?   Where are the lawyers who say that they are in favor of protecting their clients, and ending prohibition?   Where are those making money off the cannabis industry?

Maybe the black market is a little too profitable.  Well keep your head low while more people are going to jail for this safe and god given plant!

Dave Bilsland Advocate for the less fortunate

April 12th, 2011 | By Pirate

Dave Bilsland is a guy I have met here in Spokane who quite honestly Ive yelled at.
But as a charming Irish gentleman, and a good political eagle Dave has not so much as raised his voice back. Dave has been a gentleman and fellow concerned citizen working for improving the lives of those around him.

I had some how missed this about Dave, though I had heard Dave speak about this, I didn’t actually know much about his structure and his professional approach to repealing the shelter ordinance in Spokane.

Dave’s participation in organizing: “Help 4 the Homeless” Contribution Drive is a really great story for inspiration as an activist.
I just got done telling Dave on facebook that even when I was homeless I didn’t accomplish as much for the homeless as Dave has.

My main drive has been to legalize cannabis as I believe it will benefit the other 99% who don’t have family wealth to rely on. Those who earn their money, including homeless and others. I think legalizing cannabis/hemp we will create a few more jobs and have some great products to produce out of locally grown hemp.

Dave Bilsland and many activists here in Spokane know about this as well. I am blessed to know how active this community is, and how when I came back to this city, I was simply comforted to hear through the grapevine that there was going to be a dispensary in Spokane, and when I heard about the dispensary I quickly got my recommend, as I had been a patient for many years for my condition.

After that there was some troubles, and NORML announced that they would be having some meetings. Of which I attended just about all of them from 2009 forward.

I was blessed to have met briefly some great activists, including a few who are involved in pushing the I-1149 campaign. Doug Hiatt was at a few meetings. It was good.

We have disagreed and we have had good times, all in all I just wanted to say cheers to David Bilsland, and thanks for all you are doing and thanks to those supportive members of this community who work together to see a brighter future for liberty in our state and our world!

I got this from the Sensible Spokane website:
http://www.sensiblespokane.org/apps/blog/show/6686386-dave-bilsland-these-grassroots-run-deep-

Raising Awareness

PJALS – Hand Full of Salt Aug 2004

People 4 People Putting a face on Homelessness

SpokaneNew.org April 10

Spokane rousts homeless camp

spokesman.com July 9, 2004

Homeles advocates blast Spokane camping law

seattlepi.com July 12, 2004

Knowing your “advocates” in Washington

April 5th, 2011 | By Pirate

A whole series of new pot advocates and advocate groups have popped up in Washington in light of the recent success of many many cannabis dispensaries throughout the state.  To list a few of them:

 

The strange thing here, is that this is a pretty tight nitched group comprised of pretty much the same 2 to 3 people.
This is clear when you read this article on the CDC:   http://cdc.coop/node?page=1

 

One thing that I notice by browsing their websites, is that the WCA and the CDC both mention each other back and forth, and mingle together openly.   But one thing is also obvious, regardless that all 3 groups are comprised of pretty much the same leadership, only the WCA and CDC mention each other (at present, and for the past 4 months) on their websites.   But neither the WCA nor the CDC promotes the Sensible Washington group,  OR  I-1149.    Its also obvious that there is little mention of the CDC or the WCA on the Sensible Washington website.

In fact until this week, I didn’t realize how they were all directly connected because of what seems like an illusion that they are separate groups all together.

 

However you can see how they all work together, as the CannaCare forums do a great job of defining:

http://www.cannacare.org/bulletin/showthread.php?t=5539&highlight=Washington+Cannabis+Association

 

Cannacare, while they don’t support I-1149, they are very informative and sincere and in the last couple of weeks I have been paying a lot more attention to Steve Sarich, and I thoroughly enjoyed his recent testimony on SB 5073 in the house Ways and Means committee.  At first I thought that this group was just a bunch of pot business people who were opposed to legalization because of their self interests.  That may be the case to an extent, but I think everyone listed here has bias.  But the more I read what this group is about, Cannacare actually makes a lot of sense.   Washington NORML and others have negative things to say about CannaCare, but you also have to look at where NORML gets their funding.  They say NORML stands for “National Organization for Rich Marijuana Lawyers”.   Tell me, where do marijuana lawyers get their clientele when marijuana is legalized? I say ALWAYS follow the money!

 

As for who they all are.   I suggest doing a google search on each one of them, and see what is driving them.

I have drawn my own conclusions, but as it is obviously very complicated, I refer everyone to go ahead and draw their own conclusions of what is going on here.

 

I went to one of the meetings of the WCA/CDC/SW or whatever, and I got it all on film.  Please watch if you want to get a first hand POV on this.

 

Props to Doug Hiatt and Sensible Washington!

May 20th, 2010 | By Pirate

Props to the I-1068 people, and to NORML!


I know that these folks have been under heavy attack as of late.  A lot of conflicts are arising between the medical market, and the legalization movement.

Some good things and some not so good.   For example Medical Herb Providers and a few other cannabis friendly businesses are carrying the I-1068 shirts.
There are some available from Sensible Washington now as well as from Emerald Sun in Spokane.  Check out their site for details;   http://sensiblewashington.org/buy-a-t-shirt/


Buy a T-shirt

This is the shop that is selling the t-shirts. Contact them to get a I-1068 T!!

Speck Print Shop
219 Broadway East
Capitol Hill
Seattle, WA 98102
Hours: Noon to 7pm Mon-Sat


There was a lot of conflicts and chaos going on last week when we ended our 5% donation deal from Emerald Sun.  So we haven’t sent in the $20 that we owe Sensible Washington.  We gave away a lot of shirts and we still are giving away a lot of shirts for I-1068.  It’s a way to get the message out, and with a campaign that is on limited funds, it’s important that we get the word out any way that we can.  I personally make YouTube videos, wear I-1068 t-shirts, and post on many different blogs and facebook groups about it.  There are many ways to help,  Most importantly (this is an area that I am lacking), we need signatures!  Contact Sensible Washington to learn how to help with that.


It’s NOT too late for real change!

Go I-1068!

Douglas Hiatt on I-1068, sounds like heaven!

April 5th, 2010 | By Pirate

I just want to thank Dougals Hiatt  and those who are working on I-1068!  Thank you so much!


This is Douglas Hiatt on King5 News talking about I-1068 and legalizing marijuana in Washington.
These are great facts!


This is for my Utah friends and people who are Latter Day Saints (Mormons)


A.D. 1854. The earliest paper to be made in Utah was formed by hand by Thomas Howard, an English Mormon, assisted by Thomas Hollis. The small beginning was sponsored by Brigham Young (1801-77) and the Mormon Church.  The first sheets of paper were produced on June 27, 1854 and probably found their original use in the printing of the Deseret News, Brigham Youngs newspaper, which began publication in Great Salt Lake City, June 15, 1850 this notice appeared in his newspaper:  Rags! Rags! Rags! Save your rags, everybody in Deseret, save your rags; old wagon covers [hemp], tents [hemp], quilts [hemp and flax], shirts [hemp], etc., are wanted for paper. [First mill opened in the Far West.]

Legalizing cannabis is not an un-Mormon priniciple



Whats with the monkey?

Currently one of our rotating head logos has a smoking monkey on it.
Some want to know whats up with the monkey’s? 
It doesn’t have a lot to do with the Zion Curtain, but in Jack Herer’s book “The Emperor Wears No Clothes“, there is an article about the government tests done with marijuana in the 70’s.

The researchers gave the monkey enough smoke to suffocate them, and that is exactly what happened to them, over and over again. Tell me one human that you know who smokes 63 Colombian strength joints in 5 minutes!?!?!! 
See this article, or reference The Emperor Wears No Clothes”.

How that relates to me, or even Utah.  Is that I served almost 8 months in Utah for possession (not distribution, not for growing, JUST possession) of a few grams of weed before I was 19 years old.  Utah has insane weed laws.


http://xcannabis.com/2009/08/jack-herer-on-the-marijuana-monkeys/

http://xcannabis.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jackherer_monkeys1.jpg

http://xcannabis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jackherer_monkeys2.jpg

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

Eleventh of September

Uwe Banton – 11th September

11th of September is a sad day for many different tragic events in history.
I think about this day on occasion. Even though it’s sad, it’s good to remember.

News from the Rev

Happy New Year!   I’ve been busy with some projects.  Doing some community service, by modifying some really cool open source software, for use in a marijuana dispensary environment.  I’ve invested some $$ and a lot of time in to this project.  We released the software(s) for free at EmeraldPOS.com
I have also been busy with cancer awareness and I have been posting what the CURE for cancer is, CANNABIS!
The new year 2010 seems like the old year, but progress IS being made in our government. If nothing else, the government is respecting the 10th Amendment better than in previous days. Marijuana is not such a villainous plant is seems. Laws are being passed, public servants are not being prejudice or piggoted (pot biggoted?)..

It also seems many if not most than many of the politicians in office today including the last 3 presidents of the USA are ‘former’ pot smokers. The current president “inhaled frequently, that was the point” by his own admission. Pot isn’t the evil corruption of this world like many religious folk make it out to be.   In fact, it’s quite the opposite.   I made a few videos last year about religion and cannabis.   Please enjoy the links below.  From the video at the top that shows that cannabis cures cancer.  To the cannabis and religion videos that I’ll be posting at the bottom. All in all 2009 was a great year, and 2010 seems like it will be the same.  Praise Jah!

Cannabis Cures Cancer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmPamqJpf8

More Cannabis Cures Cancer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJcVr0GLsEA

Politics – Utah vs. Marijuana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfp25vJZ_5k

1rst web sermon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z0lVzdP7DI

Politics, Religious Freedom (Barack Obama): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa8Q2I4TpZI

Protest at Drug Court in Idaho Falls on 4/20/2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWGyXMJrVw

There was a bunch of good times. You can see the rest of them at: http://youtube.com/xcannabiscom

http://youtube.com/utahpirateradio

I think one of the better videos that I’ve made was my topic of Marcus Garvey / Bob Marley and the Irish Immigration in the early days of the USA, at least this is one that I put a lot of heart in to.



Yolanda Madden gets a new trial!

I love Barry Cooper, I think he is an outstanding human being. 
He is the former ‘top drug officer’ in his area, where in his career he headed a 14 organization drug task force.

Barry Cooper ultimately saw the pain and destruction and ineffectiveness of the drug war, and he switched sides and married a pot dealer.

See the latest story about what happened when Barry Cooper setup Odessa TX police in order to bring attention to the Yolanda Madden case.

Yolanda Madden gets a new trial! < link to Cooper’s site!

It’s too bad when the legal system itself is more corrupt than the so-called “criminals”. 
Odessa PD should be ashamed!

Good work Barry!

Legalizing cannabis is not an un-Mormon priniciple

It is a fact that Brigham Young himself directed his flock to grow cannabis.

From a document by an Idaho state Rep (Tom Trail)

Seven states have approved hemp cultivation. Many more might follow if North Dakota clears all the administrative and legal hurdles. Idaho Rep. Tom Trail, R-Moscow, says he will resubmit a thrice-rejected bill allowing farmers to plant hemp if North Dakota succeeds. To the Eastern Idaho legislators who object, Trail notes that Brigham Young, patriarch of the early Mormon Church, directed Utah settlers to grow hemp.

“I think it’s a good crop,” Trail says.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=166347

Here are other references to Brigham Young’s direction to Mormon settlers.

(he also instructed them to grow tobacco)

A.D. 1854. The earliest paper to be made in Utah was formed by hand by Thomas Howard, an English Mormon, assisted by Thomas Hollis. The small beginning was sponsored by Brigham Young (1801-77) and the Mormon Church.  The first sheets of paper were produced on June 27, 1854 and probably found their original use in the printing of the Deseret News, Brigham Youngs newspaper, which began publication in Great Salt Lake City, June 15, 1850 this notice appeared in his newspaper:  Rags! Rags! Rags! Save your rags, everybody in Deseret, save your rags; old wagon covers [hemp], tents [hemp], quilts [hemp and flax], shirts [hemp], etc., are wanted for paper. [First mill opened in the Far West.]

http://www.hempmuseum.org/SUBROOMS/HEMP%20PAPER%20CHRON.htm

This one from Rep. Tom Trails of Idaho:

http://www.infotrail.com/idaho2008/Pre_Legislative_Update/Hemp_Update/hemp_update.html

Like the prohibition in the 30’s that cost much money and many lives.  This prohibition (of cannabis) will end too!

Judge and former narcotics agent support legalization

Judge Nepolitano with special guest Barry Cooper discuss the benefits of ending prohibition, just like the USA did in the 30’s with alcohol.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV3bBqpy76M

Also see this report:

A labor organization’s former voice for a drug-free work force pleaded guilty Friday to trafficking medical-grade marijuana.

I support Barry Cooper for Attorney General! Go Barry!

Utah is responsible for the first cannabis prohibition

Police Harassment in Utah

Police Harassment in Utah

I have been researching the beginning of cannabis prohibition in the USA.  I have found several sources that show that the first prohibition of cannabis in the USA started with Mormons in Utah, without any science or logical reasoning.

Mormons which outlaw coffee, tea, alcohol, and tobacco for dogmatic religious reasons, banned cannabis when a group of Mormon missionaries returned from Mexico with cannabis.

This movie “High – A true tale of American Marijuana”  is a great show with truthful history of cannabis prohibition in the USA.
I HIGHLY recommend it!


HIGH The True Tale of American Marijuana

Also see a post that I made about this on xCannabis.com.

Also reference drugwarrant.com which has a great article on the subject.

LDS bloggers vs. the facts – prohibition discussion

This is a conversation that I recently got into with some long time LDS blogger aquaintenances that I have chatted with for over 8 years.  I felt compelled to bring this conversation to my blog and archive it, because with some of these same folks, I have had over 500 posts deleted in one day.  So I wanted to set the record straight, and archive it.

I’ve done this before when they have accused me of lying, cheating, and abusing them.  ROFL.  I either make a video, and/or archive these conversations for later.  I have a whole collection of these conversations spanning over 8 years, because of how many times I’ve been censored by some of these folks.

Anyway, this conversation is about LDS sponsored prohibition.   I made comments earlier in the conversation about “Why don’t LDS spend more money feeding the poor and helping out widows, and less time and money trying to take people’s rights away”..


Burt LDS in brown, Whew in blue and me in red:

If you drink that coffee your going to hell

If you drink that coffee your going to hell


“Then you make a statement that the LDS financed over half of the Prop 8 campaign! First off the LDS Church did not contribute any money to the Prop 8 campaign! Second what ever the real contribution by LDS members to the Prop 8 campaign, it is within their right to contribute to what they want to pass! No real rights were taken away by prop 8 just the right to call a same sex union a marriage, which is not a right!” My Previous comment!

Burt, if the LDS leaders that urged the members to donate, doesn’t qualify. And if the members don’t make up the organization. Then you have a point.

Here is an apostle urging the members to support the initiative: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1B2ECCDC5A032A82&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=ewXaVmfOj2w
And the members responded. The members make the church. Without the members, the organization doesn’t exist.


Again I want you to back up your claim that the LDS Church financed over 50% of the Prop 8 campaign or admit that you Lied!

What happens when you learned the truth? Do you apologize Burt?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,[44][45][46] whose members are commonly known as Mormons, also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to “do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time.”[47][48] The response of the LDS membership to their leadership’s appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[49] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[50] About 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[51] ProtectMarriage, the official proponents of Proposition 8, estimate that about half the donations they received came from LDS sources, and that “eighty to ninety percent” of the early volunteers going door-to-door were LDS.[52] The LDS Church produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the opposition to the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to oppose the Proposition.[53][54] Local LDS leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership-sometimes quite specific-to fulfill this call.

Minnesota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado and Utah all have 3.2 beer laws!

I’ve lived in Colorado, a state where in fact you CAN buy wine in the grocery store, which IS stronger than 3.2%. Don’t misinterpret what I said.
If I want to cook with wine, I can go to the grocery store in the states that you have listed, and buy wine for my meal. In Utah, no go.

In Utah the only beer you can buy in a grocery, convenience, or drug store is 3.2 % by weight the only place you can buy higher content beer is in Liquer stores and some bars with Liquer license, with high content beer aproval! In Colorado the only beer you can buy in a Grocery store or convenience store is 3.2% by weight Some drug stores can sell 5% by volume beer! Some bars can get a licence to sell 5% by volume beer but they are not allowed to advertise the higher content, therefore you never know what you may get when you walk in to a bar! In Minnesota, some places can get a license to sell 5% by volume beer but it is not easy! In oklahoma 3.2% by weight is the normal but some places can sell 5% by volume beer but it has to be at room temperature!

See my last response.

How did Utah get 3.2% by weight beer in the first place? Federal regulation during prohibition! Many states were slow to change to higher contents after the law was changed! Most states were more concerned with harder Alcholol. But the 5 listed above still have not increase the alchohol level in Beer! How much difference is there between 3.2% by weight and 5% by volume? 3.2% by weight is the same as 4% by volume so it is 1% difference by volume! the difference between beer and 80 proof vodka (40% by volume) is 35% by volume 1% does not seem as much does it?

Did you fail to comment on the fact that Utah was the only state in the Union with “Private Clubs” as opposed to traditional pubs and bars?

http://www.sltrib.com/tourism/ci_12721457

don’t you feel foolish constantly posting false information and statements that have no basis in facts?


Out of all of the times I have to repeat the facts, and provide sources, over and over again. Sometimes it’s just too much for me. I posted the truth (again) and I just backed it up (again). Do you ever feel compelled to offer an apology? After 8 years, probably not… ;(

Burt

Whew says:

Good post Steve! Isn’t it interesting how Ryan claims Aspirin has killed more people than “Weed”. I sometimes watch the TV program called “Cops”, and it is very interesting at how many times the Police stop guy’s and gal’s under the influence of “Pot”, “weed” take your pick. And it is very interesting how the Police will not let them continue to drive their car, I wonder why?


I have never advocated for anyone to drive while intoxicated on anything. Not pain killers, not alcohol, not prozac. I don’t believe in driving while intoxicated, and Im glad that there are laws against it.
However, if you want to know more about it, have you ever tried to find a study that demonstrates how a person reacts while stoned?
I have, here is one of few studies on the subject. (BTW- If you look up statistics, there isn’t much to find there either. Why?)

~Ryan

Links

Alcohol related automobile fatalities in the USA

Information about marijuana related auto fatalities

Video showing a drunk man buying alcohol at 10:45 in the morning

Video of a man driving while stoned (televised study of the effects before and after)



You decide which is more harmful. Cannabis, or alcohol… I dont advocate for driving while intoxicated. However, there is a reason why there are 40 million marijuana smokers in the USA, and so few marijuana related accidents. And it has nothing to do with prohibition.

More information about Prop 8 financing: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/top-officials-w.html

(this post was removed from the original blog, or at least made private so that general visitors of the site can’t see it.

But I made some PDF’s of the conversation for ref.

Angry after leaving – Mormon2

Angry after leaving – Mormon3



“Then you make a statement that the LDS financed over half of the Prop 8 campaign! First off the LDS Church did not contribute any money to the Prop 8 campaign! Second what ever the real contribution by LDS members to the Prop 8 campaign, it is within their right to contribute to what they want to pass! No real rights were taken away by prop 8 just the right to call a same sex union a marriage, which is not a right!” My Previous comment!

Burt, if the LDS leaders that urged the members to donate, doesn’t qualify. And if the members don’t make up the organization. Then you have a point.

Here is an apostle urging the members to support the initiative: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1B2ECCDC5A032A82&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=ewXaVmfOj2w
And the members responded. The members make the church. Without the members, the organization doesn’t exist.






Again I want you to back up your claim that the LDS Church financed over 50% of the Prop 8 campaign or admit that you Lied!

What happens when you learned the truth? Do you apologize Burt?




The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,[44][45][46] whose members are commonly known as Mormons, also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to “do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time.” Local LDS leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership-sometimes quite specific-to fulfill this call.[47][48] The response of the LDS membership to their leadership’s appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[49] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[50] About 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[51] ProtectMarriage, the official proponents of Proposition 8, estimate that about half the donations they received came from LDS sources, and that “eighty to ninety percent” of the early volunteers going door-to-door were LDS.[52] The LDS Church produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the opposition to the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to oppose the Proposition.[53][54]

Minnesota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado and Utah all have 3.2 beer laws!

I’ve lived in Colorado, a state where in fact you CAN buy wine in the grocery store, which IS stronger than 3.2%. Don’t misinterpret what I said.
If I want to cook with wine, I can go to the grocery store in the states that you have listed, and buy wine for my meal. In Utah, no go.

In Utah the only beer you can buy in a grocery, convenience, or drug store is 3.2 % by weight the only place you can buy higher content beer is in Liquer stores and some bars with Liquer license, with high content beer aproval! In Colorado the only beer you can buy in a Grocery store or convenience store is 3.2% by weight Some drug stores can sell 5% by volume beer! Some bars can get a licence to sell 5% by volume beer but they are not allowed to advertise the higher content, therefore you never know what you may get when you walk in to a bar! In Minnesota, some places can get a license to sell 5% by volume beer but it is not easy! In oklahoma 3.2% by weight is the normal but some places can sell 5% by volume beer but it has to be at room temperature!

See my last response.

How did Utah get 3.2% by weight beer in the first place? Federal regulation during prohibition! Many states were slow to change to higher contents after the law was changed! Most states were more concerned with harder Alcholol. But the 5 listed above still have not increase the alchohol level in Beer! How much difference is there between 3.2% by weight and 5% by volume? 3.2% by weight is the same as 4% by volume so it is 1% difference by volume! the difference between beer and 80 proof vodka (40% by volume) is 35% by volume 1% does not seem as much does it?

Did you fail to comment on the fact that Utah was the only state in the Union with “Private Clubs” as opposed to traditional pubs and bars?

http://www.sltrib.com/tourism/ci_12721457

don’t you feel foolish constantly posting false information and statements that have no basis in facts?


Out of all of the times I have to repeat the facts, and provide sources, over and over again. Sometimes it’s just too much for me. I posted the truth (again) and I just backed it up (again). Do you ever feel compelled to offer an apology? After 8 years, probably not… ;(

Burt

Whew says:

Good post Steve! Isn’t it interesting how Ryan claims Aspirin has killed more people than “Weed”. I sometimes watch the TV program called “Cops”, and it is very interesting at how many times the Police stop guy’s and gal’s under the influence of “Pot”, “weed” take your pick. And it is very interesting how the Police will not let them continue to drive their car, I wonder why?


I have never advocated for anyone to drive while intoxicated on anything. Not pain killers, not alcohol, not prozac. I don’t believe in driving while intoxicated, and Im glad that there are laws against it.

However, if you want to know more about it, have you ever tried to find a study that demonstrates how a person reacts while stoned?

I have, here is one of few studies on the subject. (BTW- If you look up statistics, there isn’t much to find there either. Why?)

~Ryan

Links

Alcohol related automobile fatalities in the USA

Information about marijuana related auto fatalities

Video showing a drunk man buying alcohol at 10:45 in the morning

Video Showing a stoned man using cannabis while driving (before getting stoned and after)


You decide which is more harmful. Cannabis, or alcohol… I dont advocate for driving while intoxicated. However, there is a reason why there are 40 million marijuana smokers in the USA, and so few marijuana related accidents. And it has nothing to do with prohibition.

More information about Prop 8 financing: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/top-officials-w.html

Protesting all alone behind the zion curtain

I have organized and attended many rallies in Utah and Idaho over the past year.  Whenever I have an opportunity to do it, I do.

Which means, every holiday that we travel to those areas, I make it a point to make a new sign, and I show it off in front of drug court at some town Behind the Zion Curtain.

I have very few if any people show up.  I often get the crotchety old man or old lady who lectures me about immorality or something.  But something that can be seen in the videos that I make is that people honk, hug me, or scream cheers of support.  And no small amount at that.  It is really fun making a bunch of noise in these town of Utah where prohibition is the normality.

Whether we are talking about people shunning those who drink coffee, or tea, or who smoke cigarettes, or come from a different religion and are proud of it.  All of these things are against Mormon doctrine.   You can see these doctrines in the “Word of Wisdom” which is actual a section from their book of doctrines titled “The Doctrine and Covenants” .   Reference: Doctrine and Covenants Section 89 (Also see the main LDS website for the Utah group here:  http://tinyurl.com/6ry8bt)

The idea that other religions get shunned because of the LDS in Utah, also appears to be doctrinal.   Joseph Smith History Chapter 1

” I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

I consider this institutionalized bigotry.  Which is something else that I advocate against.
So this Thankgiving, I will find myself Behind the Zion Curtain once again, and I will be looking for a good place to protest.
If anyone knows of any good parades, or events let me know.   info@behindzioncurtain.com

This is a video of one of my last protests in Utah:



BTW-  EVERYONE is welcome to attend and participate!

Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857

If you are wondering what that pile of rocks are on the banner at BehindZionCurtain.com, that is a mound built to memorialize a massive grave for over 120 innocent men, women and children that were killed while unarmed by Mormon leaders in Southern Utah in 1857.

The reason that I put that mound on the website, is as a protest to the LDS church not allowing the family members of the victims to properly mourn or give proper burial to their ancestors.
The LDS church owns the property where the current mound is now. But in the late 1850s a rock cairn was built with a cross on top in the exact same place as the LDS owned memorial is now. But Brigham Young in a fit of rage, ordered that the memorial be torn down. Since it has been rebuilt, the LDS church has prevented the family of the victims from erecting the signature cross that Major J. H. Carleton had originally constructed on the memorial, to give reverence to the faith of the victims who were buried there.
It should be noted that the LDS church does not consider the cross a sacred icon, and it is not worn by LDS and you will not find a cross at any LDS church or temple.

This is what the original cairn would have looked like:

Mountain Meadows Massacre Cairn

Mountain Meadows Massacre Cairn

The MMMF (Mountain Meadows Massacre Foundation) have constructed a replica of the original memorial in Carrollton Arkansas. See pictures at this link: MMMF Replica Memorial

It is my opinion that the LDS church are in the wrong for the massacre back in 1857. They are also wrong for restricting the family members of the victims from properly honoring their ancestors.
SHAME ON YOU LDS!