This is a point that I hear from the opposing side of Prop19.
A no on 19er said this to me in a conversation about why he opposes Prop19 today.
“”Taxing medicine is immoral. Why are you trying to take the ‘medical’ out of ‘marijuana’? Why do you want to punish the sick and dying?”
There was a lot more to it, and I have a PDF of the whole conversation. But that is a point not only voiced by him, but Dragonfly and others have voiced that opinion as well.
My response is:
But Prop19 wasn’t responsible for taxing marijuana. What I am saying is Prop 215 is not going to do th…ese to things for you EITHER:
1. Prop215 does not save you from capitalism, or large scale grow ops.
2. Prop215 does not exclude you from paying any taxes.
Everyone is complaining because Prop19 talked about taxes, and regulation.
Well millions and millions of dollars have been paid on marijuana in California. Thats a fact. And there are tax laws that do govern marijuana in California. Check this: http://www.boe.ca.gov/news/pdf/173.pdf
To this day there is not a single law that excludes marijuana from being taxed in California, with exception to the non-profit laws.
Prop 19 did not change the non-profit (501c) laws in any way shape for form.
So these non-profit collectives that have not been paying taxes on marijuana, that would continue to be the case. Non-profits would still maintain their rights as non-profits.
What I am saying is not that I want to cause ANY malice to patients.
What I am saying is that Prop 19 did not effect Prop215. And Prop19 gave rights, it did not take any away.
The hysteria that you are stirring up is what concerns me.
If you think Prop 215 alone is better than both Prop 215 + Prop 19.. Then I can not understand your point of view.
Its almost like the difference between freedom and fascism to me.
Why reduce rights instead of giving more rights to more people?
If Prop 19 would have passed, millions of marijuana consumers would have had rights to grow, possess, transport and sell marijuana.
Yes I know, it covers sales and leaves it up to the municipalities.
Hmm. Its ALREADY up to the municipalities. Oakland is proof of that.
And patients do not stop getting the right to be patients. Its not like Prop19 passes and the government finally deems all of these people well and good.
I had a debate with several opponents of Proposition 19 in California who at least one of them despite being a cannabis consumer is very much in favor of socialism, and also an strong opponent of Prop 19.
When she said this about capitalism, I was sure she didn’t fully understand socialism:
“Ha! We’l have to agree to dis agree my friend. You don’t see what the government is truly doing when it enacts these “socialist” policies. You should really do some research into what you’re saying. Have you ever read “A People’s History o…f the United States”? If not, I highly reccomend it. Perhaps it will explain some misconceptions you have about socialism. Good luck when the shit hits the fan, because we will be FORCED to cooperate or DIE. Socialism DOES work, when capitalists don’t come and screw it all up. Get educated, please.”
First, lets look at what socialism is, socialism is based on Marxism. This is the role of the state in socialism.
“In Marxist theory, the state is a mechanism dominated by and utilized in the interests of the ruling class to subjugate other classes, to legitimize the existing socio-economic system and to promote the interests of the dominant class.”
An accurate portrait of socialism was WWII Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. I don’t think much explaination needs to be posted about those two eras. The point is, when the government control various social aspects of our life, such as social security, affirmative action, etc. Then the government controls more of our lives. Socialism leads to fascism, its proven over and over again.
Our country was stronger and freer in a free market capitalistic society. But when the government continued to take hold of more and more of our lives, via socialistic policies we started losing more and more of our freedom, and our will.
Now in socialist America, we have huge banks getting bailed out with our tax dollars, huge insurance companies getting bailed out with our tax dollars, all in the name of “doing the right thing for the people”. Meanwhile these companies who made poor decisions and failed are giving million dollar bonus to their executives with our tax dollars, because we ignore our constitution and we have embraced socialism in the USA.
This is a great illustration from Milton Friedman:
“The fundamental problem we face is not the war on drugs-although some of us are most interested in that issue. The war on drugs and the harm which it does are simply manifestations of a much broader problem: the substitution of political mechanisms for market mechanisms in a wide variety of areas.
To illustrate, I want to go beyond the war on drugs. We all recognize that the war on drugs is destroying our inner cities. But if I were to ask any one of you what is the next most important factor that is destroying the inner cities, I suspect a great many would agree with me that the next most important factor is our defective educational system, the terrible schools in our inner cities, schools which do not teach, but which are essentially places to keep kids off the streets for a certain number of hours a day.
Both failures have the same source. The war on drugs is a failure because it is a socialist enterprise. Our schooling is deteriorating because it is a socialist enterprise. Except possibly for the military, education is the largest socialist enterprise in the United States. There are a few loopholes: private schools to which parents can send their children if they can afford to pay or, in the case of parochial schools, if they have certain religious views. However, ninety percent of all kids are in government schools. And that socialist institution performs the same as most other socialist institutions.”
I am amazed at how obvious this is, and yet how all of these socialists fail to grasp that socialism equals government control.
Free market capitalism equals less government control.
If you are interested in trying socialism on, maybe try going to a different country to see how you like it. Or open your history books up to the section about Nazi Germany. But get that out of my country quick! We don’t want your government regulations!