I have for a very long time believed that a voluntary society is the best form of society and the most direct route to freedom. To stand on my philosophical soapbox for a minute, I have come to an understanding that humans, much like any other animal are made to be independently sovereign and capable of survival on our own. I see the benefits of society, and “civilization” in many forms. But in human history our species have experienced capable and strong forms of society.
One recent example of this is Ireland 2000 years ago. See this video for more information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su9OqvBbSD0
Since 2011 I have been trading in the bitcoin economy. I started with selling items from our trading post on Bitmit.net.
I made several dozen transactions on Bitmit for tangible items such as survival knifes, heirloom garden seeds, tie dye shirts and more. After a while I started a new website statelesstrade.com that I started accepting bitcoin and litecoin.
I have found a lot of freedom in these trades. They are neither blackmarket related, nor do I feel any need to hide my activity, because I pay taxes on these transactions, and every bit of these transactions are legitimate in every way.
However, with these transactions I do not have to worry about potential charge backs or disputes that I have dealt with in the past with using Paypal. I do not have to worry about over draft’s or fees, or monthly account fees, etc. I do not have to worry about my bank account being frozen, or my paypal account being frozen. With bitcoin it is as if I am operating my own bank and/or payment gateway. To me this is how transactions should be.
With bitcoin it is very similar to using cash, as I stated before. There is risk to the buyer when sending money via bitcoin if an escrow service is not being used. But it is like sending someone cash in the mail. You never know if you will get your item. However there are escrow services that can be used, and many websites like Bitmit.net and CryptoThrift.com have their own internal escrow services. But with the services and websites that do not offer escrow, such as the website that I recently used bitcoin to buy $1000 worth of camping survival supplies (survivalcampingstore.com) there is a certain amount of trust that has to be given. The website itself seems very credible and professional, and it looks like they have put a lot of time and effort in to making it. I also looked on google for reviews, and I found a few good reviews and no negative reviews. So I took a risk and I made the purchase. I made the purchase last Friday and I have already gotten one of 3 boxes worth of gear that I ordered. The other boxes are on their way and they should be here soon. See the video that I made about this at the bottom of this article.
Beyond just establishing the trust of a website, establishing the trust of particular sellers is also possible, as with Bitmit and CryptoThrift, there is a rating system on their website’s that is very similar to Ebay. If the seller is treating their customer’s right, then there will be evidence in the form of positive feedback as proof. Otherwise the seller will have low or no feedback.
Many people associate cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin with the black market and drugs. But there is a VAST community that supports the cryptocurrency economy that have nothing to do with drugs or the black market. I have been keeping a running list of sites that are accepting bitcoin at: http://xbttrades.wordpress.com
Just today small shockwaves rolled through the bitcoin community as the infamous Silkroad was shut down after the owner was allegedly arrested by the FBI (ref). But as some dispair, others are glad that the large and infamous drug market is shut down, which further distances bitcoin from illicit drug trade. There are other black markets that are still in operation that accept bitcoin, but the largest market was shut down.
I am somewhat sad that SilkRoad has been shut down. I have wrote about Silkroad in the past, and the reason that I despair is that sick people who need cannabis or other medication, will not be able to attain their medicine as easily.
After losing both my grandma and my father to aggressive cancers, and after I have learned that cannabis not only treats the symptoms but has been found to literally CURE cancer (also see this video about clinical studies), I worry about the closing of sites like Silkroad and the Atlantis Marketplace. This means people that need medicine will either go without, or be forced into back alley’s to find what they are looking for.
Recently we sold our property in California on ebay for 1170 Litecoin, and we used the proceeds in part to buy survival equipment. See more in the videos below.
Spokane Medical Marijuana provider Scott Shupe was charged with drug trafficking in relationship with his business “CHANGE”. CHANGE located itself only blocks from the police department, in a nicely located, commercial/retail building which was very out in the open. They obtained business licenses, paid retail sales tax, and operated professionally. They would even take back any medicine that was not satisfactory with no questions asked.
In late 2009 the owners and some associates of CHANGE were arrested and charged with drug trafficking.
I am so happy for Scott Shupe, and this totally turns my attitude around about Washington state.
In this court case they did reference one thing incorrectly. After SB 5073 (which was after the CHANGE case started in 2009), the serving “one patient at any given time” provision was struck from 69.51 WCA. Section 404 of SB 5073 destroyed this defense that obviously worked to the benefit of Scott Shupe.
I do not think this has anything to do with I-502. I think Scott’s case is being judged under the laws of 2009, and the state laws of 2009 were in Scott’s favor.
Those same laws would not apply to anyone in this day, because SB 5073 destroyed those protections.
Wrong. The one ounce possession of buds or sixteen ounce possession of hash and hash oil or seventy-two ounce possession of tincture exists as a protection on its own. See in the post earlier:
The only limitation is the amounts: one ounce useable marijuana, 16 oz. marijuana-infused product in solid form, 72 oz. of marijuana-infused product in liquid form, or any combination thereof [Sec 20 Para (3)].”
(3) The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products in amounts that do not exceed those set forth in section 15(3) of this act is not a violation of this section, this chapter, or any other provision of Washington state law.
In other words, it does not say “The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products purchased only from state-authorized outlets in amounts that do not exceed…” as you are falsely asserting.
Also wrong on “decriminalization”. Decriminalization is what we call it when a state no longer has criminal sanction against a pot smoker. Oregon is “decrim” – you get a ticket, a fine, loss of D/L, but no criminal punishment.
“Legalization” is when there is no punishment whatsoever for a pot smoker. That’s what I-502 does. When it passes, I can possess an ounce and get no fine, no ticket, no loss of D/L, no nothing.
Furthermore, when something is “decrim” it is still against the law, and therefore, detecting it is a probable cause to investigate law breaking. When something is “legal”, it isn’t a crime, and detecting it is no probable cause to investigate.
What you’re conflating is “legalization” with “legalization of possession and cultivation for personal use”. In a previous post, I explained how legalizing possession is “legalization” and legalizing cultivation in addition to that is “legalization-er”. I-502 legalizes personal possession and it legalizes commercial cultivation. I would prefer that it legalized personal cultivation, but its sponsors found polling showing that voters weren’t going to support home grows.
What I do know is that convincing voters somewhere down the line that personal cultivation should be legal will be much easier for an organized group of legal personal marijuana users to accomplish than another request from a disorganized group of criminals and patients. (And don’t dare try to say that the gubmint will resist that because they want to protect their pot tax cash cow… because then you will have painted all the dispensary and clinic owners opposing I-502 with the same brush.)
Russ this conversation is a little hard to keep up with as it is not threaded. I like the “Disqus” module for wordpress, it makes it easier to login, easier to comment, and it keeps the comments threaded so that replies are organized according to the original post. Just a thought.
Anyway, I think that the complicated law proposed in I-502. Which is the longest initiative I have read in a long time, its very ambiguous as to what can be interpreted from it.
I know I am no legal expert. But the police that try to interpret complicated laws are sometimes less adept than a layman like myself.
I told you about when I got arrested and put in jail for “using the streets without a permit” right?
Anyway, you say that the marijuana bought and used under this law does not need to come from a licensed distributor. I think that is debatable.
First let me ask you a few questions.
1. If not bought from a licensed distributor, how does one legally obtain the marijuana?
My answer is: through illegal means
2. If governor Gregoire refused to allow legal medical dispensaries, do you think consumer/recreational dispensaries will have any more legitimacy than the medical dispensaries that were vetoed?
And my last point is this ambiguous section that you referred to:
“Sec. 20. RCW 69.50.4013 and 2003 c 53 s 334 are each amended to read as follows:
(1) It is unlawful for any person to possess a controlled substance unless the substance was obtained directly from, or pursuant to, a valid prescription or order of a practitioner while acting in the course of his or her professional practice, or except as otherwise authorized by this chapter.
(2) Except as provided in RCW 69.50.4014, any person who violates this section is guilty of a class C felony punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
(3) The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products in amounts that do not exceed those set forth in section 15(3) of
this act is not a violation of this section, this chapter, or any other provision of Washington state law.”
Hmm. If it is unlawful for any person to possess a controlled substance unless the substance was obtained directly from, or pursuant to, a valid prescription or order of a practitioner while acting in the course of his or her professional practice, or except as otherwise authorized by this chapter.. Where does that leave room for a person to possess a controlled substance purchased or obtained by illegal means?
Ian Moody for U.S. Congress in Washington State? I think this deserves a serious discussion.
I have known of Ian Moody since April 2010, and I am sad to say that ever since I met him, he has been going after anyone who disagrees with him on a personal level. In April 2010 he came to my forums on Facebook and posted this:
“Dispensary owners were among the most vocal of opponents during Sensible Spokane’s efforts to liberalize marijuana laws on a local level. This was disheartening to say the least, not to mention an eye opener. Time to separate the drug dealers from the business owners. Follow along as I debate the matter:”
Ian Moody supported SB 5073 in the Spring of 2011 which I had informed him all year would end up screwing patients. Which in the long run it definitely did that.
Then when he was frustrated with some people in Sensible Washington, he started bad mouthing the Sensible Washington initiative 1149.
After that in May, when he joined up with the ASA he was asking people to not talk about full legalization at meetings and rallies, and I asked him why.
After asking him why, he starting attacking me verbally on the internet. I had not attacked him at all, I just asked someone else a question who was supporting the ASA why they won’t allow for talk of full legalization. Ian as coordinator of the ASA for Spokane came at me and threw a fit.
He threw a fit not only with me, but you can hear Tricia Rogers talking about a fit that she witnessed Ian throw in person.
These are my questions to Ian Moody as a candidate for the U.S. Congress:
As a rep in the U.S. congress, how would you represent on the following issues:
1. Regulation of recreational cannabis
A. Would you support strict regulations, or would you treat cannabis less strictly than alcohol?
B. Would be in favor of DUID limits in blood content for THC?
C. Would you be in favor of the government regulation of the sales and production of cannabis, such as having the liquor board control these things, or maybe a different agency?
2. Medical cannabis
A. Would you be in favor of putting cannabis in a lesser schedule on the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), such as Schedule II, III, IV, or V
B. Would you be in favor of provision set forth in SB 5073 such as requiring a registry and a database of patients info?
A. Would industrial hemp production be a focal point, or an after thought? I know you said you are running on that platform. So I wonder how you would approach that topic. Im guessing you would support HR 1831?
(1) Any person who drives any vehicle in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving. Violation of the provisions of this section is a gross misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment of not more than one year and by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars.
(2) The license or permit to drive or any nonresident privilege of any person convicted of reckless driving shall be suspended by the department for not less than thirty days.
[1990 c 291 § 1; 1979 ex.s. c 136 § 85; 1967 c 32 § 67; 1965 ex.s. c 155 § 59.]
For reference Ian has posted a website on his flyers that is not even registered “Moody2012.com” is not a registered website as of 9/08/2011.
So this whole ploy for running for congress is probably just a way to create a scene for himself. If he actually runs, I would be surprised.
The future of cannabis now is moving towards a federal reclassification of cannabis.
There are several petitions on the state level to “reschedule cannabis“, which indicates no class just a “rescheduling”.
Rescheduling means most likely the same thing that happened in Oregon when they called for rescheduling in 2010 via Oregon Senate Bill 728
What is obvious in the medicalization of cannabis for example in California which is known as the first state for legal medical marijuana via Proposition 215, is that cannabis has not only become more difficult to obtain as prices have increased extraordinarily, and the enforcement of prohibition has stepped up a notch as can be seen by comparing 1990 arrest deomographics for cannabis in California to the 2008 demographics for cannabis arrests in California. There was a 3 fold increase in that short of time.
In 1990 there were 20,000 arrests for cannabis possession, and in 2008 there were over 60,000 arrests for cannabis possession; RE: http://xcannabis.com/2011/05/how-are-medical-laws-protecting-patients/
With the increased prices, and the increased arrests California is evidence that the medicalization of cannabis is not helping to protect patients.
Despite state law, and despite the legitimacy of these patient’s asserting their rights, thousands of patients are still going to prison.
This is not just found with medical marijuana patients. This is also happening with other drugs like Oxycontin which is a Schedule II drug. I was in jail for cannabis at age 19, and I was in jail with someone who was arrested for illegally handling Oxycontin. That was over a dozen years ago. But I looked up “jail for oxycontin” in google and I found other troubling prison sentences even though this is a Schedule II drug
This man got 57 months in prison:
Donald J. Prescott, 26, of North Augusta, was sentenced today in federal court to 57 months in prison for attempting to possess with intent to distribute OxyContin.
In March 2010, Prescott bought placebo OxyContin tablets from a government informant, then expressed interest in selling up to 500 additional pills. This transaction was monitored by local law enforcement agents, and Prescott was taken into custody. http://www.aikenstandard.com/2011local/0317-oxycontin-brief
Here is another case of a man getting 12 years in prison for Oxycontin.
2. Prices of cannabis will not decrease, as going to a doctor, and a pharmacy will be required to get cannabis legitimately, and that is a significant cost, and the alternative is going to the black market, which cost no less than drugs in the pharmacy.
3. People will still be going to jail for cannabis under rescheduling
What I see as the safest access, the best prices and the most protection under the law is to UN-schedule cannabis as Ron Paul and Barney Frank are calling for with H.R. 2306. This will open up the free market, will lower prices and increase access as well as protect patients and other consumers from arrest.
I can compare this to already legal medicine that you can buy in an herb store like echinacea, or ginger, or St. Johns wort, etc.. These are legal medicines with essentially the same risks as cannabis, that are sold without restriction, in a free and open market.
We are at a cross roads right now. We can ether call for rescheduling which.
1. Gives the market exclusively to big pharma and licensed pharmacists
2. Gets the backing of Big Pharma’s money behind prohibition
3. Restricts cannabis to a small few
4. Does nothing for industrial hemp cultivation in the USA
Or we can call for Un-scheduling which.
1. Liberates cannabis
2. Opens up the free market
3. Gives patients and consumers the safest access possible
4. Allows everyone to benefit and participate in the cannabis industry
5. Legalizes Industrial hemp
The choice is clear to me. I won’t be asking for “rescheduling”.
I have been speaking with many people from states where cannabis has been decriminalized.
The opinions vary greatly. There seems to be a fierce stance to keep cannabis medical only.
There is also an overwhelming stance that people believe that cannabis needs to become fully legalized.
I have posted my opinion on this over the years, the pros and the cons. The dangers of stagnation or apathy is one of my biggest concerns, because it appears that big pharma is trying to get behind cannabis with over 150 patents. That worries me.
Some people think maybe I have some kind of a stake in legalized cannabis. I do. FREEDOM!
But I presently do not sell cannabis, and I have not sold cannabis for 15 years.
I have been known to help patients get access to good genetics via giving seeds away with no reimbursement (cash or otherwise), but I have the means and the knowledge to open a dispensary and I have chosen not to, as I believe I need to keep the conflicts of interest to a minimum while working on freedom initiatives.
I seem to get the most resistance as well as baseless accusations from those already in the market in some fashion.
I don’t think they are resisting me personally, but the idea in general, as I haven’t met 90% of this opposition in person.
Here are some videos from YouTube on the subject, and at the end I am posting some link to articles relating to this.
Starting in 2009 which was shortly after the raid on CHANGE dispensary in Spokane WA, there was a notion for a petition drive to legalize cannabis on a ballot initiative. The group was Sensible Washington.
I had been driving from Deer Lake in Stevens County to go to protests and meetings about this topic.
Deer Lake was roughly an hour drive each way or maybe a little longer.
But I had made friends with a lot of folks in the medical marijuana community, and in fact we built the website for Change dispensary (www.changeinspokane.com). So my family and I regularly made the trip to support those in the community.
When we knew that there would be an initiative for full legalization, we made plans to move in to Spokane, despite that we are not really happy with living in a city as opposed to a rural mountain area. But we set forth anyway.
Our first order of business was to buy a screen press so that we could help with what little we were able to. Since we had a new baby in the house and driving long distances to Spokane to get signatures was difficult and in most cases impossible. We decided to send what provisions that we could to area coordinators and potential volunteers. We gave out between 100-150 shirts in 2010 to promote the cause. We used our own design, “Real Change is Not Too Late – 1068”.
We didn’t play a particularly involved role, nor did we have time. But we helped in what ways we could, and after getting to Spokane for the end of the petition drive we went out and got several sheets full of signatures.
We opened our business on North Division in a busy area in hopes to give people a place to sign the petition that is comfortable and professional as well, we had that business open for 3 months.
There was some mix ups during the campaign, and the area coordinator kept getting changed around. It was a little frustrating, but a lot of work was getting done while Renata Rollins was coordinating and that was encouraging. So we kept up our support, and even in the end when it was clear that we would not make the ballot, we gave another lot of merchandise from our store to encourage the unpaid volunteers for their efforts. We gave two complete skateboards, and 10 screen printed shirts.
We got word back from the coordinator that we gave the items too that one set of bearings got lost, and I don’t think they were ever recovered, so despite that we gave two complete skateboards, it only ended up being one complete setup, and then most of the parts for the second. The coordinator called us and asked us if we had another set of bearing to replace the bearings that were lost, and we didn’t have any.
Well, fast forward to the following year, this year. Things started slow, but in January MHP dispensary hosted a New Years Eve party and Sensible Washington folks were invited. I brought a dozen Sensible Washington shirts that we made, and a bunch of inventory from our store to donate for a raffle. We gave the shirts to who we thought was a coordinator, as she had been claiming to be one.
But the friend that she brought was claiming that she in fact was the coordinator. Well, since they were both riding together I figured it doesn’t matter who we gave it to, because it’s going to get to the right place one way or another.
Three months pass and there were supposed to be weekly meetings happening in that time, but in fact there was no meetings, except for one at the first of January in which it got canceled by the new coordinator and the meeting was rescheduled to be at someone’s house. It didn’t turn out very well because instead of it being a meeting of Sensible Washington volunteers, it ended up being a room full of dispensary owners, and the main topic was SB 5073. I was annoyed by that, because SB 5073 has been nothing but bad for our laws, and promoting SB 5073 seemed unproductive. The topic was I-1149, but that wasn’t what was being discussed.
I did some broadcasting on this topic and I was able to interview the state coordinator (at the time) Don Skakie.
After that, no Sensible Washington meetings happened at all for months. So a new coordinator stepped up and invited everyone to meet at a organic food store to have coffee. This was the first meeting in almost 3 months, so we donated shirts to this new coordinator person. Which caused conflicts with the second coordinator that came after the first coordinator. (confused yet?). Yet, we forged through. We ended up finding out that the first lot of inventory didn’t get used properly and for about 3 weeks the coordinator couldn’t even tell us what happened to the items. We thought that would be sold as a fundraiser, and it would help the coordinator with her expenses. Instead she blamed someone else for losing them, and we had to track everything down. We got about half of the items back. It was a mess. It caused a lot of hurt feelings too.
A few weeks after that meeting in March we were undecided on where we would be having meetings, as no one had a place yet. So we found a virtual office that had a conference room and we paid $200 per month to use their facilities. We had 4 meetings.
The first meeting we had 12 people show up, but the second coordinator (not using names) got pissed that we were having meetings for some reason, maybe because she wasn’t doing anything and hadn’t yet held a meeting in 3 months. So she started calling people and telling them “the DEA is investigating that place, and you will be under DEA surveillance”. Which is fine, we streamed each meeting over the internet, so incase people who had something to worry about who wanted to could still attend the meeting, and not have to be associated directly. But we didn’t care if the DEA was watching the place, it was silly. We had been advertising in the paper and spreading the word about an open to the public meeting. So if the DEA wanted to be there, it’s not like this meeting was secret and maybe if they were listening they learned a few things.
This is the power point presentation from March 4th 2011, our first meeting:
So after that our attendance started waning, we went from 12 people to 5 people, and at the last meeting there was only 4 people. A competing group who had been trying to get something going was just getting started at this time, they owned a medical marijuana collective, and instead of having their own meetings they were sending their volunteers to our meetings, which I made a reference to in the video that I made about this. I had to ask the person who was coming to not come back unless they could stop being rude by interrupting people, and I also ask that they take care of personal hygiene issues as people were starting to complain including my family who came to the meetings.
After awhile when we realized we had done all that we could do, and I am proud to say that we got petitions in to the hands of about 25 people including 14 area businesses, as well as we gave out dozens of t-shirts to support the cause as well as yard signs. But when it was obvious that our effectiveness had reached it’s limit in this pursuit, and when we realized that we needed to get set up for our new arrival who is due in August, we decided to leave 2 months early to go to California where we intend to build a hemp dome.
Before we left a new group had started to be formed in Spokane that had not been there before. We heard from Sensible Washington state coordinator Jared Allaway that the ASA was holding a rally and that they did not want attendees to talk about full legalization. I didn’t hear or know who was involved in organizing the ASA in Spokane, but I relayed publicly that Donna Lambert had been receiving a lot of attacks from this group in San Diego and I expressed my disappointment that the ASA would like to silence talk about full legalization.
Well the competing group who I mentioned that were sending people to our meetings rather than holding their own, are the same group that is organizing the ASA in Spokane. After I left I got physical threats sent to me via facebook which I video taped and uploaded to youtube (I made it private, but I have it on the record as well as oodles of other interesting situations). People may request to become friends on youtube, and if you NEED to know more, I can allow certain people to see it. Friend me here; http://youtube.com/xcannabiscom
So now they are saying that I was mean to their representative and that I have done more harm than good.
Fortunately for them, Im not there any more and they can get cannabis legalized in Washington without me.
Unfortunately, this is the same group saying “don’t talk about full legalization at the rallies“.
Why work on full legalization on the down low, but publicly say “don’t talk about full legalization”?
Either way, I can relate to Marcus Garvey and other civil rights activists who have had to deal with similar drama. Marcus Garvey’s story is particularly interesting, I hope you get a chance to watch the documentary “The Influence of Marcus Garvey”.
Alternatively you can see this video on xCannabis instead of Youtube:
I feel horrible about what has happened in Spokane, and my heart goes out to the sick and dieing in Washington who just lost their sources of medicine. But let me just point out that some of what happened such as these dispensaries losing patient records, was COMPLETELY un-necessary!
We have sent out emails, post cards, and personally discussed with dispensaries and providers what they can do to protect their records and how they can better document “one patient at any given time”. We started www.emeraldpos.com in 2009 and we modified some great open source software, and even paid a developer to upgrade our modification for a Dispensary management system. This has the ability to store records remotely in a secured database in a secured facility, or locally, and it has many front end and backend dispensary management functions. The best part is that it is not expensive like some of the other software systems that do the same thing. Some software that is available for dispensary management is upwards of $7000. Our software is COMPLETELY free!
My heart breaks after watching this video from Club Compassion. Both for the owner and for the patients.
I hope that if nothing else comes from this, that other dispensaries will employ some sort of safety measures for their patient’s records. This is very sensitive information and this issue NEEDS to be addressed!
This is a few of the concerns that I have currently in Washington. I am still a resident and I plan on coming back.
So first of all I wanted to post this about SB 5073 from April 22 2011.
I also wanted to share this, which is our farewell to Washington. I also talk about present day society vs. ancient society. My example is Washington state vs. Ancient Ireland. (I decided not to fix the audio issues. So if you pick up on those, it’s not your computer its the video. There are a few trouble spots)
The Washington state Senate gave final passage Thursday to a bill to regulate medical marijuana cultivation and sales, setting up a likely showdown with Gov. Christine Gregoire, who opposes provisions for state employees regulating a system of medicinal cannabis dispensaries.
Yup, this is what I’ve been saying the whole time.
The problem here is that since January SB 5073 intended to gut Section 301, and heavily regulate and tax dispensaries. This has been the #1 and #2 thing spoken about in EVERY hearing so far.
Section 301 removes the exclusive protections that doctors get currently with 69.51a. The limitation of dispensaries will drive prices (and tax revenue) up because with less competition the free market can’t work in favor of patients. Spokane would go from having over 40 dispensaries to having less than 24 dispensaries.
I encourage everyone to read the CURRENT Washington code, and then compare it to what is being proposed now.
In its initial release at the first of this year it was bad as well. It wasn’t gutted, so much as it only got worse. This bill has never been about protecting patients, its been about limiting dispensaries, and giving control to the industry via an expensive tax structure.
In the “Original Bill” section 301 started off by crossing out provisions for doctors in current like. This lingo was crossed out of current law from the get go:
“((A health care professional shall be excepted from the state’s 25 criminal laws and shall not be penalized in any manner, or denied any 26 right or privilege, for))”
Currently doctors are not included in the state law that offers penalties to doctors in regards to helping patient attain a recommend for medical marijuana. But the legislature started off with removing the exception to the law, and they crossed that lingo out (above).
Im not saying this bill is all bad, nor did it start out being ALL bad. But it only takes a few bad parts to make the whole law useless, and if patients do not have access to their medicine, because doctors are scared of losing their license over it, then it destroys current laws and protections for doctors and patients.
Why people like NORML EVER supported it is beyond me. ??
I posted this to Radical Russ from NORML in February about SB 5073
So when Washington lobbyist groups like NORML say that it just recently got gutted. That is NOT true. They (the legislature and supportive groups) have been trying to gut 69.51a since this bill originally came out. The proof is in the bill itself.
There are a lot of things coming out in regards to the medical cannabis and other cannabis usage in Washington state right now.
We have saw two bills come up in the Washington legislature both of which I have labeled as “dog and pony shows” since they were obviously not going to pass from the get go and they both eventually got stuck in committee. Both HB 1550 and SB 5073 that were proposed this year had some debatable good qualities to them, but they also offered a lot of things that the Washington voters do not seem to wish for, which is high regulation and taxes.
It was obvious from the beginning to me that HB 1550 which required the involvement and sales by the WA Liquor Board for social cannabis was destined to fail.. Much like the medical bill that came out (SB 5073) it also offered an expensive tax and control structure that would have cost consumers additional amounts of money to finance.
SB 5073’s fiscal report was showing that the registry cost would start out at around 11 million dollars and then we would need to pay the salaries of 47+ state employees, which is to do the job that one person does in Colorado and that one person does in Nevada.
Despite that money seemed to lend a contributing factor in why the legislature was so eager this year in regards to legalization efforts, it is also obvious after watching one hearing after another that they were upset about the growth and popularity of the medical cannabis market which grew to having over 40 dispensaries in Spokane in recent months.
Each hearing I would hear dialog about the “out of control dispensaries”. They never cited a single case of where a dispensary acted inappropriately they never noted any complaints that the public has about these dispensaries, and certainly I don’t hear them speaking about how patients who benefited from these services felt about these dispensaries neither good nor bad.
Yet there were many patients who spoke in front of the committees about how the dispensaries were literally life savers.
Yet in almost every committee meeting the representatives would speak about the “wild west” of medical cannabis in Washington state, and that became clear to me from the beginning that was a major aspect of this legislation. Not to mention the Section (301) that from the VERY BEGINNING started winding back the functions of a doctor/patient relationship in regards to medical cannabis.
This isn’t something that was introduced at the end of these hearings, no Section 301 was there from the beginning, and in it the words that gave doctors immunity from criminal penalties for recommending cannabis to a patient started being crossed out of current law. We posted this about the original proposal here: http://xcannabis.com/2011/04/washington-norml-asks-three-questions-to-those-against-sb-5073/
So I stopped subscribing to what many of these other “cannabis advocate” groups were posting. I would read them from time to time, but mostly I was just watching the legislators and what they were doing because the media about this didn’t seem to want to cover the negative aspects of the bill.
You can see about a dozen reports that we gave on this pointing out the negative aspects of this bill: http://xcannabis.com/?s=5073&x=0&y=0
I recognize that there were other very astute and vocal cannabis advocates out there fighting against this, such as the Northwest Leaf, CannaCare, and other local patients and advocates. Im just saying there were a lot of other groups that were touting support for SB 5073 without any obvious complaints for months.
A few of the supporters of this bill criticized me for coming out in opposition of this bill, which made it seem to me that these folks think that criticizing what the legislature was doing wasn’t helping.
I just keep wondering how does giving unfailing support for a bad bill helpful? How do the legislature know what we want if we won’t say it? How does keeping our complaints secret help the process?
The REASON we have medical cannabis in Washington NOW is because the people spoke up! It was a people’s initiative that got medical marijuana approved for Washingtonians, not a bill! So when there is legislation to change our cannabis laws, it is very important to stand up and reject the bad aspects and DEMAND GOOD POLICIES!
So in my opinion this is what Washington needs for medical cannabis.
Patient protection without a registry, no arrest no searches with the proper documentation.
Dispensaries must remain in tact, and be legitimized in our state constitution. There should not be limits on the number of dispensaries as that will continue to drive prices up
Leave the state employees out of it. If there are no state employees involved, then medical cannabis will not receive threats from the feds, like we recently saw with SB 5073, but like we would have also saw with HB 1550 had it made it out of committee.
Most of all we need to protect collective gardens so sick and incapable people may get their meds from a community garden that doesn’t cost them what it does to buy from the dispensaries which are often very expensive.
I think that to ensure that the people get exactly what they want, they need to stand up, reject the bad policies that are being introduce and praise the good policies.
I am so tired of people playing politician. Lets just do whats right from the get go.
It looks like our only chance of getting it right this year is Sensible Washington’s Initiative 1149.
Please see the following two websites for more details: www.i1149.com & www.SensibleWashington.org
We have also vowed to play a more involved part in this process next year if it fails this year. Meaning we will continue to try to gather allies together to propose our own initiative. I want i-1149 to succeed, but there is a good chance that it won’t succeed.
So we have been trying to connect people who are in Washington, and gather more support for something next year, just in case we don’t get it worked out this year.
As I stated earlier, we only have medical cannabis in Washington state because of a people’s initiative and that seems like the only way we will preserve those rights.
Please also give the National Initiative for Democracy a look. It is just like a state initiative but it employs a national initiative process. http://ni4d.us